Edit that preset! A blogg about synth, e-mu sampler, music and pillows

So.. there is limitations!!!

Edit: I found a solution to my case 7 min after i wrote this blogg.. you will find the solution on the bottom of the blogg. 

Well.. finaly it happend.. i found a limitation on the emu sampler.  Well.. its not a big deal.. since i have ways of doing it off sampler... but it would have been sooo awesome to be able to do so.  anyway.. here it comes.

 My idea:  Emu goes Waldorf.

 I had an idea in my head of sampling down wavetables from the MicroWave II, and then store them as samples.. then having the emu playing x cycles of the sample by using the cords.   Start and stop location of the sample and loop could be controlled in realtime (like its possible to do on a Waldorf Wave/MW).  But after fideling around on the emu with a random sampleloop i found, i found out that looping is something that has to be set in sample edit mode, and can't be changed in realtime.  Well you can change the startingposition of the sample. but thats not affecting the loop and is ofcourse not realtime.   which means.. mission failed!.

 Anyone know if its possible to do such on akai samples? (S5000/s6000). 

 Anyway. i havent given up totally.   I might not get the same flexibility as there is in a waldorf xWave, but i might be able to recreate the sound and much of the feel by sampling down the wavetable, and more or less predefine the looping cycle then instead having multiple voices  with diffrent filters to simluate the diffrent oscillators.     After all.. the wavetable is much about recreating complex timbres that are made through advance filtering.. so.. i guess the z-plane filters can do me a favor here.   I will post an example as soon as i have sampled down some wavetables.  Anyway.. the point is that the instrument should get some of the ppg/wave feel.. cyncial and harz metal sound.   I must admit that i have owned both Waldorf Qkeyb (love that synth), and Waldorf XTk (love that too).. but both of them are sold because of lack of space (and some economy).  But i hope the emu will bring some of it back to me! .

 Anyway.. the drum and bass track is taking form.. its not that long.. and i am not sure if i should use more time on getting it long "enough".. after all its more important to make much, to get the proper work training on the emu, then to make it long.   So you might see an mp3 link here on the page in not so long time .

 EDIT!!!

 well 5 min after i wrote this post, i came across a man who was looking into doing the same as i described in this mail.. but he actually came up with an brilliant suggestion..  i will past in my answer and solution from emusonacid here

http://www.emusonacid.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9497

Hey.. you are searching for answer excatly on the same thing that i am wondering about. but lets elaborate around it.

I have also owned a mQ, Qkeyb and microwave XTk.. i realy love waldorf but at the moment i dont own any of them.. just because wife and space .

But i have gotten an emu e6400 ultra.. and are fiddeling with the thoughts of getting some wavetable sound.

i wrote some thoughts about it here blogg.higen.org, but what you are suggesting is actually a idea i havent thought of yet. which gives me hope.

What we can do is that we could make like 8 single cycle samples (ie. sample down the main samples from a wavetalble from the microWave 2), then we could set it up to be layred with crossfade using the Voices Realtime Window. Here we can set up crossfade value for the diffrent voices, then distribute the 8 samples , which means sample each 16 value, and crossfade between that. (so that between value 1 and 16 are there two sample crossfading with 100% overlapp. which means sample 1 is silent at value 16, and at max on value 1, and sample 2 is silent on sample 1 and at max on value 16, and so on).

I teste the idea with a regular string sample.. and it works as i want it to.. i am able to sweep between the two samples (with diffrent filtersettings) by using controller (of my choice), and i can also get the lfo to do it.. The only thing i cant stand guarantee for is that the crossfade between the sample will sound like the aliasing used in the waldorf/ppg synths . But i will know in the future.

You could ofcorse sample down all the 128 diffrent samples cycles and have the patch containing 1 sample for each value from 0-127. but i dont know if the efford will bring a better result i put my 3 cent on the crossfade solution first.

the next challenge is "how to emulate the two oscillator/wavetables model".

answer... dont know atm

I have access to the wavetables from MicroWave2 so i will be sample them down as mono into the sampler..

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